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  Memorial Procedure Question to Current/Past Appointed Men

  by Justitia Themis in

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  last night at our memorial, i sat next to someone's study.

  when the bread was passed, she took a piece but did not eat it.

  she placed it on her lap.

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  Justitia Themis

  Eduardo:

  We had people drop the bread too. It has happened rather regularly in the past. I suspect they need to place the bread on a napkin, and THEN on the plate.
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  Memorial Procedure Question to Current/Past Appointed Men

  by Justitia Themis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last night at our memorial, i sat next to someone's study.

  when the bread was passed, she took a piece but did not eat it.

  she placed it on her lap.

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  Justitia Themis

  Someone needs to slap him on the head.

  Oh, I will be. Two elders, me, my husband as a witness.

  And I don't think she was a Satanist. She had her own bible with her, that was well used. I suspect she was Baptist. I understand that they pass the bread (versus the Catholic wafer). Perhaps they show better manners in that they wait for "everyone to be served" before chomping away as our partakers do.
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  Memorial Procedure Question to Current/Past Appointed Men

  by Justitia Themis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last night at our memorial, i sat next to someone's study.

  when the bread was passed, she took a piece but did not eat it.

  she placed it on her lap.

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  Justitia Themis

  Last night at our Memorial, I sat next to someone's study. When the bread was passed, she took a piece but did not eat it. She placed it on her lap. The elder passing the emblems embarrased her sorely by asking for it back. As I was sitting next to her, I had to explain "things" to her during the talk.

  What is the the procedure for such an situation?

  I feel it should not have been dealt with at the moment to spare an interested person the akwardness. At a later date and more private setting, her study conducted should address the issue.

  When the wine was being passed, she assured me she would not drink it. I told her that was my only issue; they can keep the bread, just give me the wine!
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  Dozy - More Clarification on the UN Issue?

  by slimboyfat in

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  i know you feel a bit bombarded with questions, but please if you could clear up just a couple of things for me that would be appreciated since i found your posts on the issue especially interesting.

  i must admit this whole "un scandal" bores me to tears and i have avoided most posts on the issue right from the start.

  however, from the little i have read i think there are some holes in the defense of the society you have provided on this issue.

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  Justitia Themis

  In light of that, why hasn't the Governing Body been DF'd? Aren't we all supposed to be "fellow servants in Christ?" ;

  Just a thought...

  (Isaiah 1:10-18) 10 Hear the word of Jehovah, YOU dictators of Sod´om. Give ear to the law of our God, YOU people of Go·mor´rah. 11

  "Of what benefit to me is the multitude of YOUR sacrifices?" says Jehovah. "I have had enough of whole burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed animals; and in the blood of young bulls and male lambs and he-goats I have taken no delight. 12 When YOU people keep coming in to see my face, who is it that has required this from YOUR hand, to trample my courtyards? 13 Stop bringing in any more valueless grain offerings. Incense—it is something detestable to me. New moon and sabbath, the calling of a convention—I cannot put up with the [use of] uncanny power along with the solemn assembly. 14 YOUR new moons and YOUR festal seasons my soul has hated. To me they have become a burden; I have become tired of bearing [them]. 15 And when YOU spread out YOUR palms, I hide my eyes from YOU. Even though YOU make many prayers, I am not listening; with bloodshed YOUR very hands have become filled. 16 Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the badness of YOUR dealings from in front of my eyes; cease to do bad. 17 Learn to do good; search for justice; set right the oppressor; render judgment for the fatherless boy; plead the cause of the widow." 18 "Come, now, YOU people, and let us set matters straight between us," says Jehovah. . . .
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  Dozy - More Clarification on the UN Issue?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know you feel a bit bombarded with questions, but please if you could clear up just a couple of things for me that would be appreciated since i found your posts on the issue especially interesting.

  i must admit this whole "un scandal" bores me to tears and i have avoided most posts on the issue right from the start.

  however, from the little i have read i think there are some holes in the defense of the society you have provided on this issue.

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  Justitia Themis

  The term "Criteria for Association" refers to criteria that would apply only to those who are Associate members of the UN/DPI, there is not and never has been a registrant status with the UN/DPI.

  AuldSoul:

  I see the distinction. And, I am sure my next question has been dealt with somewhere in the volumnous threads regarding this subject. But would you favor me by explaining if the "Criteria for Association" to be an Associate member of the UN/DPI included supporting the basic goals of the UN?

  Justicia
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  Dozy - More Clarification on the UN Issue?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know you feel a bit bombarded with questions, but please if you could clear up just a couple of things for me that would be appreciated since i found your posts on the issue especially interesting.

  i must admit this whole "un scandal" bores me to tears and i have avoided most posts on the issue right from the start.

  however, from the little i have read i think there are some holes in the defense of the society you have provided on this issue.

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  Dozy:

  You mentioned that your congregation had a needs part on this subject. I would be disfellowshipped for breathing about it here. Could you please pass on the defenses? While this does not convince me to "leave," I suspect it is something that crossed the line for which we should be honest. I find the press release from the Governing Body that we became an NGO to "get a library card" hard to defend, especially in view of the following Questions from Readers. While we didn't "join" the UN, we did promise to support their goals, which is the precise reason we are not allowed to join the YMCA. So, I am looking for any defense material.

  *** w79 1/1 p. 30 Questions from Readers ***

  Questions from Readers

  Is it true that for religious reasons Jehovah’s Witnesses may not become members of the YMCA (Young Men’s Christian Association)?Yes, that is so. We have long recognized that the YMCA, though not being a church as such, is definitely aligned with the religious organizations of Christendom in efforts to promote interfaith.

  In September 1885 the Watch Tower took this position:

  "Alas for the Bible-rearing practiced in the Y. M. C. Associations! They are completely under the control of the sectarians, by whom they are supported. Though professedly non-sectarian, professedly controlled by no creed but the Bible, they are more creed-bound than others, since they are bound by all the popular creeds."—P. 6.

  Later the underlying religious purpose and interfaith efforts of the YMCA were mentioned in the September 1964 issue of Kingdom Ministry, used by Jehovah’s Witnesses in one of their meetings.

  Many persons think of the "Y" simply as a social organization that offers various services, such as a swimming pool, facilities for athletic training and a place for clubs to meet. Commendable as some of these provisions may be, it is important to bear in mind that the YMCA was founded with a distinctly religious basis. This was set out at a World Alliance in Paris in 1855. The main part of that official statement (called the Paris Basis) reads:

  "The Young Men’s Christian Associations seek to unite those young men, who, regarding Jesus Christ as their God and Saviour, according to the Holy Scriptures, desire to be His disciples in their faith and in their life, and to associate their efforts for the extension of His Kingdom amongst young men." (Italics added)

  While in some countries churches may not be the YMCA’s main source of revenue and while membership is open to persons of all races, nationalities and religions, the fundamental religious objectives of the "Y" cannot be ignored.

  ‘Consequently, there is ample evidence that the YMCA originated with religious objectives and continues to have such to this day.

  In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. He is not simply paying for something he receives, such as when buying things being sold to the public at a store. (Compare 1 Corinthians 8:10; 10:25.) Nor is his membership merely an entry pass, as when a person buys a theater ticket. Membership means that one has become an integral part of this organization founded with definite religious objectives, including the promotion of interfaith. Hence, for one of Jehovah’s Witnesses to become a member of such a so-called "Christian" association would amount to apostasy.
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  Which recent study was it that explained how Jehovah doesn´t just forgive?

  by MinisterAmos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm trying to place the scriptural basis and wt article that explains that jehovah doesn't just forgive transgressions, minor and major, but he actually 'wipes clean' the slate and forgets they ever happened which is the real essence or forgiveness.

  (provided the person is repentant of course) i know we studied this in the past few months but can't find it.. i'm trying to contrast this with wt policy of recording transgressions and keeping records, allegedly written and most certainly mental, of minor offenses well past the moment of claiming that the offendor is 'forgiven.

  the practice is contrary to what the wt has claimed in print that we should strive for.. i'd like to ask this question at my next 'bible study'

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  Justitia Themis

  I couldn't find anything written that says Jehovah actually "forgets" the sin. I do not think this will help you, but it is the current understanding from the 2004 cd-rom.

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  w97 12/1 pp. 12-13 Jehovah, a God "Ready to Forgive" ***

  "Their

  Sin I Shall Remember No More"

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  Through the prophet Jeremiah, Jehovah promised regarding those in the new covenant: "I shall forgive their error, and their sin I shall remember no more." (Jeremiah 31:34) Does this mean that when Jehovah forgives he is unable to recall sins anymore? That could hardly be the case. The Bible tells us of the sins of many individuals whom Jehovah forgave, including David. (2 Samuel 11:1-17; 12:1-13) Jehovah obviously is still aware of the errors they committed, and so should we be. The record of their sins, as well as that of their repentance and forgiveness by God, has been preserved for our benefit. (Romans 15:4) What, then, does the Bible mean when it says that Jehovah does not "remember" the sins of those whom he forgives?

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  The Hebrew verb rendered "I shall remember" implies more than simply to recall the past. According to the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, it includes "the additional implication of taking appropriate action." So in this sense, to "remember" sin involves taking action against sinners. When the prophet Hosea said concerning wayward Israelites, "He [Jehovah] will remember their error," the prophet meant that Jehovah would take action against them for their lack of repentance. Thus, the rest of the verse adds: "He will give attention to their sins." (Hosea 9:9) On the other hand, when Jehovah says, "Their sin I shall remember no more," he is assuring us that once he forgives a repentant sinner, he will not act against him for those sins at some future time. (Ezekiel 18:21, 22) He thus forgets in the sense that he does not bring our sins up again and again in order to accuse or punish us over and over. Jehovah thereby sets a splendid example for us to imitate in our dealings with others. When disagreements arise, it is best not to dredge up past offenses that you previously agreed to forgive.

  What

  About the Consequences?
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  Active Witnesses...... lets get a head count....

  by ?me? in

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  just wondering out there, who is still active?

  makes most of the meetings, all the conventions, comments, is still active socially with the congregation,out in service, hall building etc.

  just wondering, because we know who are the elders, or recently former elders and i usually seek their posts for some interesting comments... .

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  Present and unaccounted for.
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  To all Active JW's on the board

  by UNCLEAR in

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  as you are all aware i am new to the board, this is my third topic post.

  since i have come online and expressed some concerns regarding docturnal issues, i have been pm'd by several active jw's on the board pretending to have concerns also but then sending pm's to "trust in the congregation and jevovah", "talk to the elders about your concerns" and "stick close to the congregation".

  i would like to make this known loud and clear -

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  All or Nothing behavior is all I've been taught to know. I feel like I must stay or leave.

  Dear Good Girl (I don' see a bad girl):

  All or nothing behavior is what you must unlearn, regardless of whether or not you choose to remain a JW. It IS what we are taught, however, rarely is life so. And, such thinking will harm most other aspects of your life and relationships.

  The Pharisees taught the rules, or the black and white; Jesus taught the gray, or when to break the rules.
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  To all Active JW's on the board

  by UNCLEAR in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as you are all aware i am new to the board, this is my third topic post.

  since i have come online and expressed some concerns regarding docturnal issues, i have been pm'd by several active jw's on the board pretending to have concerns also but then sending pm's to "trust in the congregation and jevovah", "talk to the elders about your concerns" and "stick close to the congregation".

  i would like to make this known loud and clear -

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  Dear Black Swan:

  The poster wanted "concrete" information; I tried to be careful to provide only that.

  Regarding your questions, I will tell you my opinion, and it is just, my personal opinion. Despite being an active JW, I do not think the FDS has yet been appointed. I am not alone in my personal opinion. I do not think Jesus has begun ruling yet, and the holy spirit CLEARLY does not control every action, appointment, etc. in the congregation.

  Do I think it is Jehovah's organization? Yes, just as the wicked Pharisees were still the "official party." The great thing about that is that I also believe that all the condemnations of the major prophets against the leadership of Israel apply to JW leaders, NOT Christendom. And I can't wait to see them come to fruition.

  I am a friend of Jehovah's, not the Corporation.